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Toriyama's An Idiot
Topic Started: Feb 26 2017, 11:29 PM (2,323 Views)
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Feb 27 2017, 03:37 AM
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You want an elementary mistake.. how about the countless times our heroes have been exposed to space on an asteroid, ship base, outside a planet, and didn't die?


You're lacking a bit of proof on that. They were always inside the planet/asteroid's orbits and had oxygen to spare, especially since these characters are tough as hell, they'd survive the cold temperatures without problem, but that's not what we're discussing here.

Good question actually, what the hell are we discussing? That Toriyama's not that good of a writer? No one's arguing against that, but you're still being unnecessarily harsh and rude.
We're discussing people rationalizing Toriyama's mistakes, which you have just done so with the oxygen debate.

I'm not being harsh, I'm giving him the criticism he deserves. I'm tired of the only reasonable answer when someone has a question on this board about the show is that "Toriyama made a mistake."
No you're not, you were discussing why Dragon Ball was Trash, and why Toriyama is an idiot who had a few ideas, nothing more. You said it yourself, it's in the title, it's obviously your position on the subject, and it's obviously wrong. You reasoning is stuff that would leave you declaring our greatest writer's of the time, including Shakespeare "idiots who had a few good ideas, nothing more."

What criticism he deserves? You used anime filler to explain how Toriyama was a bad writer. Toriyama wrote the manga, not the anime. You wanna criticize him, do so on the things he's actually done. Not made up fantasy like Toriyama writing every episode of the Z anime.


Here is your standard applied to the most legendary writer of all time.

In The Winter's Tale, Shakespeare wrote that the country of Bohemia (now part of the Czech Republic) had a coast-line, when there is none. There fore, Shakespeare is an idiot.

In Coriolanus, Shakespeare wrote that Delphi an island, when it is a city. It is in no way an island.
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In King John, whose rule lasted from 1199 - 1216, Shakespeare wrote of a cannon, which did not appear in battle in Europe until 1280.
Therefore, Shakespeare is an idiot.

Are you seeing the issue here? You're not pointing at actual flaws in his works. You're not pointing at real flaws which hurt the story and are proof of his bad writing. You're nitpicking. And this is not a situation I expected myself to ever get into. I'm usually the one with the most negative opinion on Dragon Ball, but I'm not gonna use them not following real science as evidence of how bad the story or the writer is.
That's a good example. I've been missing some of your arguments, my apologies.
Hypothetically if Shakespeare made about as many mistakes as Toriyama has then yeah he's an idiot too. I would say the same thing.

You're missing my point too though. If I'm wrong on something, I'll admit it but it doesn't take away from my original argument that there's too much nonsense in the show. I don't have the energy to keep bringing them up, I didn't make this topic to prove it, and I might be a bad debater, but it should be evident from anyone who's seen it.
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Okay, I'm wrong about the anime filler. Frieza having space breathing abilities wasn't filler though, did Vegeta not walk on asteroids in the manga? Am I wrong about that too?
No offense but this is exactly what I mean when I say a lot of people who unfairly criticize dbz and toriyama don't actually know what they are talking about. A lot of criticize toriyama for Toei Animation's works because they don't know what is and what's not filler. Which is understandable because the anime is what everyone's seen

Vegeta and nappa destroying planet arlia is filler from the original anime. Vegeta's training in space when he was training and turned ssj was filler too. Although I don't see what the problem with that is since he got there by spaceship
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It's become very clear to me that even if this topic is serious, the way it is being discussed by the OP, will invite nothing in the way of civil discourse. This is either a troll thread, or a very badly written one that will only result in people feeling trolled. I'm going to close this thread. If we want to discuss Toriyama's mistakes in writing, it needs a to be in a more substantial, and certainly more civilized manner than this.
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